The Carson Gap

The Carson Gap is the low gap (8800 ft) in the mountains ringing the Southernmost end of the Tahoe Basin. This gap is located at the low point along the Sierra Crestline between the West flank of Red Lake Peak and the ridgeline dropping off the Eastern side of the Little Round Top massif.

The Carson Gap is the lowest point between the peaks ringing Meiss Meadow. Meiss Meadow is the bottom of the South Upper Truckee River's headwaters bowl, and these mountains are the sides. The South Upper Truckee drainage is large and complicated, beginning at Echo Pass and encompassing the totality of the Meiss Country Roadless Area.

On the South side of the Carson Gap the Eastern Sierra flank drains into the West Walker River and the Western Flank into the Silver Fork of the American River.

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The mountains surrounding Meiss Meadow are the Southernmost extent of the Tahoe Rim/Sierra Crest Mountains around South Lake Tahoe.

In any case, the Carson Gap marks the Southbound backpackers deparure from the Tahoe Basin and the uniquely beautiful variety of terrains that decorated our hike down the High Sierra mountains above the Western Shore of Lake Tahoe.

We will realise just how unique the Tahoe Basin is after we hike through a few more National Forests and Wilderness backpacking South. Though each is unique and beautiful, the Tahoe Basin puts together such a variety of terrains physical and cultural terrains it stands out.

From the Carson Gap we exit the Tahoe Basin to continue our Southward trek along the Sierra Crest Line. The question is, South along which trail? The TYT or the PCT?

We must decide quickly. I hope you have already decided and packed properly for your chosen route. Because a few yards down the South side of Carson Gap we will find the first of three trail junctions where the PCT and TYT routes part company near Carson Pass.

PCT vs TYT

From the Carson Gap the great Massif of Round Top and the Sisters dominates our Southern view. This piece of rock is also the dominant feature of our route decision. How we pass South of this feature determines our route.

PCT

The Pacific Crest Trail route turns Southeast around Round Top to trace its Southbound route along the volcanic dominated Eastern flank of the High Sierra.

27 miles South of our position at the Carson Gap the Ebbetts Pass sits on Highway 4.

See this topo hiking map which marks the location of the Carson Gap in relation to both the Tahoe to Yosemite and Pacific Crest Trails. Click the Colored dots along each route, and you will be brought to the corresponding trail guide page, where you can examine each location and both routes in detail.

TYT

The Tahoe to Yosemite Trail hikes up to Round Top Lake sitting just below The Sisters. The TYT route rounds the Southwest flank of the Western Sister to set a line Southwest towards Lake Alpine through the granitic Western Flank of the Sierras. Lake Alpine is situated about 15 miles West of Ebbetts Pass on Highway 4.

Backpackers on the Tahoe to Yosemite route encounter the first of three possible trail junctions to the TY Trail just a few steps to the South of the Carson Gap. (see below) The second junction sits at the bottom of the South flank of the mountain below Carson Gap, (also below)and the third junction to the TY trail is through the Winnamucca Lake Junction a mile South of Carson Pass on the Pacific Crest Trail. Our first question is which of the three routes to the TYT should we hike?

The first two junctions to the TYT are unmarked trail junctions that lead you down well-trod trails to the same location on Highway 88 West of Carson Pass, and on towards Woods Lake to offer two distinct approaches to Round Top from the North. The third trail junction is the well marked Winnamucca Lake trail junction that is located on the Pacific Crest Trail route a mile South of Carson Pass. This route approaches Round Top from the East.

There are no trail junctions labeled "The Tahoe to Yosemite Trail" in the Carson Pass region, though there are three ways to get to the Western Flank of Round Top and The Sisters to follow the Tahoe to Yosemite route into the great granite valley holding Summit City Creek.

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Exiting the Meiss Country Roadless Area and the Lake Tahoe Basin Southbound through the Carson Gap

The Carson Gap

Elevation: 8800 feet

North

1.52 Miles to Meiss Cabin.        3.4 miles to Showers Lake.         10.61 miles to Echo Summit

South

1.39 miles to Carson Pass PCT.   27.88 miles to Ebbetts Pass PCT.   3.4 miles to Round Top Lake TYT.

24.81 miles to Lake Alpine TYT.

Mileages North

Combined PCT & TYT

Carson Pass to Echo Summit: 12

Echo Summit to Meeks Bay: 30.71

Total: Carson Pass to Meeks Bay: 42.71

Note: South of the Carson Gap the PCT and TYT routes split until they rejoin below Bond Pass in the Yosemite Backcountry.

North of the Carson Gap the PCT and TYT again divide .82 of a mile North of Middle Velma Lake. Here the TYT cuts Northeast towards its Trailhead at Meeks Bay while the PCT continues North along the West Shore of Lake Tahoe.

The TYT trailhead at Meeks Bay is the Northern limit of this guide for the Pacific Crest Trail. The Southern limit is Crabtree Meadow West of Mount Whitney.

Mileage South

Pacific Crest Trail

Ebbetts Pass to Sonora Pass: 29.44 miles

Sonora Pass to Tuolumne Meadows: 73.8 miles

Total: Meeks Bay to Tuolumne Meadows: 173.05 miles

Southbound PCT Information

Pacific Crest Trail route

To the Carson Pass: Trail Guide

Carson Pass Region Topo Map

Carson Pass to Ebbetts Pass: Topo Hiking Maps

Miles and Elevations

Southbound Hikers

Southbound backpackers have a choice between continuing South on the Pacific Crest Trail or the Tahoe to Yosemite Trail.

For information about the differences between your two route options South read the route discussion below, and find more information and links on the Carson Gap Forum Page, where you can also leave comments and questions.

Mileage South

Tahoe to Yosemite Trail

Carson Gap to Lake Alpine: 24.81 miles

Lake Alpine to Saint Marys Pass: 34.64 miles

Kennedy Meadows to Tuolumne Meadows: xx.xx miles

Southbound TYT Information

To Round Top Lake: Trail Guide

Carson Pass Region Topo Map

Carson Gap to Lake Alpine: Topo Hiking Maps

Miles and Elevations

Total: Meeks Bay to Tuolumne Meadows:

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For an excellent source of Sierra Butterfly information, see

Art Shapiro's Butterfly Site

especially the

Butterfly Listing by Latin Name page, for pictures of Sierra Butterflies.

and the Professor's recent work;

Compounded effects of climate change and habitat alteration shift patterns of butterfly diversity. (abstract)

To obtain a broad understanding of Sierra Butterflies, see;

Status of Butterflies, Arthur M. Shapiro, Center for Population Biology, University of California, Davis. (pdf)

On Professor Shapiro

Professor Shapiro has contributed valuable information to our understanding of the repercussions that our alterations to our climate and ecosystem have initiated.

My hope is that our society has the wisdom to understand and properly use the information Professor Shapiro has generated to guide our legal, political, and development policies to mitigate, if not restore, our crumbling natural infrastructure.

Many thanks to Professor Shapiro not just for identifying the Butterflies pictured above, but for his dedication to understanding the Natural World, as well as his contributions to making us all aware of the importance of our interrelationship with Nature.

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Departing the Lake Tahoe Basin Southbound

The Tahoe to Yosemite Trail

or

The Pacific Crest Trail

South to Tuolumne Meadows?

Passing South through the Carson Gap marks your point of departure from the Lake Tahoe Basin.

Independent of where you started, be it 40 miles North at Meeks Bay, 10 miles North at Echo Summit, or 8 miles coming up from the South Upper Truckee Trailhead, the terrain outside of the Tahoe Basin is going to radically change.

But how it changes depends on which way you head South out of the Lake Tahoe Basin. You have two options.

The Tahoe to Yosemite or the Pacific Crest Trail South from the Carson Gap to Tuolumne Meadows?

You have a choice of trails when you head South from the Carson Gap. First, you can head around the Southwest side of Round Top to follow the Tahoe to Yosemite Trail along the Western flank of the Sierras to Lake Alpine.

Your second option is to follow the Pacific Crest Trail through the Carson Pass, passing around the Southeast side of Round Top and Elephant Back to follow along the Eastern Flank of the Sierras to Ebbetts Pass.

Both are excellent trail routes. I suggest you hike both, as possible.

The Tahoe to Yosemite vs. The Pacific Crest Trail

Time

If we follow the Tahoe to Yosemite Trail along the Western Flank of the Sierras South from the Carson Gap, we are going to be spending roughly 2 nights hiking to Lake Alpine. We will arrive at Lake Alpine early on the second morning coming out of the Carson Gap.
I also figure on spending the same amount of time, roughly two nights and a small bit of a third day, getting to Ebbetts Pass from the Carson Pass along the Pacific Crest Trail route. You must add more or less time as necessary to suite your needs and capabilities.

The Numbers

21.41 miles from the Carson Gap to Lake Alpine via the Tahoe to Yosemite Trail. Miles & Elevations. Maps.

26.78 miles from the Carson Pass to Ebbetts Pass on the Pacific Crest Trail. Miles & Elevations. Maps.

Despite the 5 and a quarter mile difference between the two routes, mileage is not the most important distinction between the Tahoe to Yosemite and Pacific Crest Trails.

Check out the mileages coming down from Meeks Bay

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Physical Differences between Routes: Climate and Terrain

The Tahoe to Yosemite route between the Carson Gap and Lake Alpine on Highway 4 traverses the Western Flank of the Sierras. The Western flank of the Sierras is generally shadier, cooler, and wetter than the PCT's route along the Eastern flank.

Besides being more exposed, hotter, and drier, the Eastern flank of the Sierras between Carson Pass and Ebbetts Pass is physically quite different in appearance than the Western Flank between Carson Gap and Lake Alpine. The vast majority of the Pacific Crest Trail along Eastern flank passes through the harsh and subtle beauties of barren volcanic terrain.

While the PCT crosses the arid volcanic terrain of Sierra's Eastern Flank with long views East, the Tahoe to Yosemite Trail submerges itself into deeply forested granitic gorges and valleys descending off of the moister Western flank of the Sierras. This moisture accounts for the denser forests on the Western Flank of the Sierras than the Eastern.

Though both routes are dry, the Western Flank's windward position, facing the Pacific Ocean, makes it noticeably greener than the Eastern Flank. Having more tree cover gives the hiker more shade, making for a cooler hike.

The Tahoe to Yosemite Trail route is also much more remote and less traveled than the Pacific Crest Trail route. It is not uncommon to pass through the whole section between Summit City Creek and Lake Alpine without meeting another backpacker.

This is because of the very difficult conditions that characterize the Tahoe to Yosemite Trail between the Summit City Creek and Camp Irene on the N fork of the Mokelumne River.

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The reason for the low backpacker traffic on the Tahoe to Yosemite Trail route between the Carson Pass and Lake Alpine is the rough terrain and difficult navigation demanded by the 9.52 miles of unmaintained trail between the Summit City Creek trail junction below Fourth of July Lake, to the North Fork of the Mokelumne River at Camp Irene.

Basic Conditions on the Unmaintained Sections

On an unmaintained section of trail you should expect that all signs of trail, trail bed, blazes, and ducks are absent for extended lengths. You should expect fallen trees, heavy overgrowths of brush, runoff gorges, and boulders to block your way. A wide variety of obstacles can be depended on block your route, and obscure all traces of the route you are following.

Crossing this type of terrain with a backpack is very hard work. This type of terrain demands physical conditioning and backcountry skills necessary to prevent injury while carrying a heavy pack across difficult and unstable terrain. You know you are in good enough shape when it is fun. For me this means I am running 7 miles every other day up 750 feet of elevation. Less training and preparation, less fun on the trail.

This terrain also demands the ability to find the best route in the proper direction without trail, trail markers, blazes, or ducks. Again, you know you are good to go when you enjoy the experience. If your skills are sufficient, you will find this a fun challenge. If they are not, you will find this section to be a little piece of hell.

If you are in poor condition with undeveloped route finding skills, your inability to find the easiest way through will seriously increase your workload. As your workload increases your fatigue, your ability to observe and make good decisions decreases.

In any case, projected or predicted times to make mileage on maintained trails is significantly altered by encountering unmaintained routes. It can easily take twice as long to cross a mile of an unmaintained route as it would to cross a mile of maintained trail.

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Warning

Backpacking is Dangerous

Backpacking is dangerous, and can generate significant amounts of physical and psychological stress. Injury and death are regular outcomes for backpackers.

Every year backpackers get lost, injured, struck by lightening, eaten by bears, drown while crossing rivers, shot by hunters, or frozen in unexpected blizzards. These are the things that can happen to well-prepared, smart backpackers. I have not even begun to mention the things that unprepared stupid backpackers do to themselves through bad decision making.

(Example of Stupidity: Use your food bag as a pillow.)

Nothing in this trail guide will protect you against yourself or the occasional Fury of Nature.

Backpacking unmaintained trails multiplies all of these dangers, puts you further from help and/or rescue, and generally increases all of the physical and psychological stresses and dangers of normal backpacking.

It is during these hard engagements with nature that I have my best experiences. Though most of us attempt to mitigate these dangers, there is always a reasonable chance that you will get lost, get injured, or get dead.

The best way to minimize the ever-present chances of injury and death is to build your backpacking and backcountry skills and fitness in conjunction with increasing the difficulty of your backpacking trips. This way you will reduce the chances of putting yourself in situations you are not prepared for.

Don't attempt the unmaintained section of the Tahoe to Yosemite trail unless you are an accomplished, experienced backpacker, in good physical shape, capable of reading maps, with good route finding skills and properly equipped with enough food to accommodate a longer crossing of this section than you anticipated. Remember: Shit happens.

Your pace, carrying capacity, state of physical conditioning, and the particular route you choose may extend or shorten the duration of your trip through this section of the trail, and any of the trails described on this web site. Plan accordingly. Discretion is often the better part of valor.

Psychological Difference II: Much more isolated, and no maintained trails

This combination of isolation, no trails, and very hard hiking presents different obstacles than the typical long distance backpacking trip. Pressing for miles is replaced by pressing to find a route through the terrain, if you cannot locate signs of the trailbed itself. This is completely different than running down a maintained trail.

This type of travel requires careful observation, good decision making on observations, and the ability to backtrack to the point where you deviated from the best route, so you can try again.

Cross country travel produces a certain type of stress in addition to the normal stresses of backpacking. The normal stresses of backpacking are generally physical, caused by being constantly exposed to the environment, and the constant work staying in motion over the terrain demands.

Good gear mitigates the hots and colds of being constantly exposed to the elements, and constant work is offset by good eating, plenty of water, and proper rest. I find that the physical stress of normal backpacking is an excellent antidote for the psychological and physical stresses of Urban Life. One is very good for you, the other is very bad.

Cross country travel puts all stresses other than finding the proper route into secondary positions. The things that bothered you most on the trail; hunger, overheating, and exhaustion can all become inconsequential when the thing you relied on the most for your security, the trail, disappears.

It can be quite disquieting.

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Take a Break

It is at just this moment, when your most basic assumption about backpacking, the trail itself, has disappeared from beneath your feet, when you must not freak out, and rebalance your approach to backpacking. Kick back and take a nice break. Have a snack and some water. Observe and Consider your situation. Food, Water, and rest are vital, and without them you will deprive yourself your ability to observe, analyze, and make good decisions.

Stop, rehydrate, fill up your water bottle, and cook up a nice hot meal and some coffee. Restore your calm approach, and your clear vision and good decision making process will follow. Always maintain your water and food consumption as you struggle to find and follow a very difficult route.

Basic Details of the Unmaintained Section between The Summit City Creek trail junction (below Fourth of July Lake) to Camp Irene

The Tahoe to Yosemite Trail's Unmaintained Section

(As of July 2009)

Between the Summit City Creek trail Junction and Telephone Gulch there is occasionally a followable trail bed, though the trail is very faint in some sections. The many downed trees require some climbing to follow the identifiable sections of the trailbed.

From Telephone Gulch to the first open rock section above the upper ford the going is really rough. You can only identify and follow the trail bed for very short sections, if at all, until it is obliterated by swaths of downed trees, completely covered and overgrown by great forests of ferns, or transformed by the Spring runoff from old trail remnants into tributaries feeding Summit City Creek. You just have to put together the best route through here as you can. If you are "on" the lay of the land you will occasionally hit small indications of the previous existence of a trail through here.

Ducks

It was recently pointed out by SandyNevada that this route was very heavily, but not very well ducked by the time she traveled it in late Summer.

Sigh. If you are not very well aware of the terrain, and completely sure you are on the optimal route, don't try to duck the route. Ducking the route reduces the enjoyment and challenge of many of the backpackers that hike through here for the challenge of navigating the terrain.

Sandy also noted that her research with the Tahoe Basin Rangers indicated that no more than 10 Tahoe to Yosemite permits are issued each year. This is not the best measure of the use of this section of trail, as many backpackers who come through here are hiking short or medium distance trips out of The Carson Pass Management Area, or coming North out of Lake Alpine.

Continuing South from Telephone Gulch

After you pass through this very rough section of highly obscured "trail," mostly composed of small bits of discrete remnants of trail bed South of Telephone Gulch, your will breathe a sigh of relief when you reach the first small section of exposed granite.
This section is easy to navigate, but it is brief, and you still have a small section of forest to get through before you reach the second section of open granite. The second section of open granite past Telephone Gulch continues South across open rock all the way down to the upper ford of Summit City Creek.

The route through this open granite section was fairly well ducked (marked by occasional stacks of differently colored rocks) in July of 2009. The problem with ducks is that Winter snows knock down most of the less secure ducks each year. So early season backpackers may not have many ducks to follow. But you should observe the piles of rocks that remain.

I find fewer ducks more stimulating than too many ducks.

Recap

To cross this section of the Tahoe to Yosemite Trail between Summit City Creek and Camp Irene you should be prepared to find your way without trail or trail signs through 9.52 +/- miles of forest, rock, and manzanita.

The conditions you may encounter through here demand that you to have the physical fitness and navigational skill to find your way through this section over difficult terrain without trails.

If you don't have these skills you will suffer and be endangered in proportion to your lack of skills.

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South from the Upper Ford

After crossing Summit City Creek's upper ford, look to your right for the faint trail that climbs up the granite knoll sitting above the river. Don't try to continue straight up the drainage behind the ford, though it looks like the easiest way. Instead, the route turns right to roughly follow the course of the creek, but from above the creek. The rocky turmoil of sheer terrain that Summit City Creek cuts through here is what is forcing us to ford and climb up, up around this rough section of Summit City Creek.

At the top of this granite knoll you will find a small campsite with an even smaller fire ring. Continuing South, you will descend off the knoll, shortly entering a small maze of manzanita brush. Get used to it. Manzanita decorates much of the route down to the lower ford of Summit City Creek.

When your Southbound descent flattens out and you again begin to approach Summit City Creek, look West to the Creek for access to water and a couple of very nice campsites. This granite flat location sits about a mile and a third South of the upper ford of Summit City Creek.

Continuing South to the end of the flat spot, we again begin to bend East away from the creek onto the dry manzanita covered mountainside. The manzanita and heat are indicative of the elevation.
At this point we have descended down the Summit City Drainage to 6120 feet from our 9630 foot high spot crossing over Round Top, losing this elevation over 6.39 rough miles.

Of the 2.51 miles between the upper and lower fords on Summit City Creek, you will find that most of this distance is on an exposed Southern facing manzanita-covered mountainside.
These lower elevations mean that the majority of this section of trail is very hot. The heat, the exposure, and the full contact manzanita offers a multitude of route options. These factors all combine to make this a challenging descent.

The campsite on the granite flat that we are hiking past is about a mile and a quarter above the lower Summit City Creek Ford. As mentioned, this distance is mostly covered with a massive maze of manzanita, which you will have to navigate down to the second ford.

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After the second, lower ford of Summit City Creek, a short ducked section of trail will bring you up to the entrance of a deep and dark un-blazed forest you enter passing after passing a black pond.

Making your way across this forest down into and across a unblazed forested bowl sitting on the North shore of the N Mokelumne River is pretty challenging. From there you must find where the ducked trail climbing out of the Southwest side of the forested bowl to Camp Irene is located. This too is pretty challenging. Here's my advice:

Turn left when you enter the forest past at the end of the marked trail at the Black Pond. Make your way South and downward through the forest for less than a half-mile.

Rock ridges project out to your Left from the edge of the forest, but avoid following them out, for they are dead ends. Continue South and down along the boundary between rock and forest to where the terrain begins to flatten out, and you will find seasonal drainages that runs to your left, to the Southeast, down to the N Mokelumne River. Follow the lowest of these drainages down SE into the forest filled granite bowl alongside the N. Mokelumne River.

As you follow this drainage down, you are entering a granite bowl surrounding a large flat that is densely forested. This is likely why I call it "the bowl."

If true, and you have made your way into "The Bowl," then the N Mokelumne is directly to your East, and somewhere through the forest to your West, is the steep base of the granite ridge that makes up the Western Boundary of "The Bowl." Our way out of this dense forest is located to Southwest, where we will again find an obvious trail leading up and out of this rockbound bowl through a crack in its perimeter wall. That's the trail to Camp Irene.

But before you find the trail to Camp Irene, find your way to the N Mokelumne River. Here there are fine white sand beaches along the shore, softly carpeting the floor of the dense forest that marches right up to the river. This is one of the finest remote "campsites" in the Sierras that's not real far from a trailhead.

I strongly suggest anyone entering this section have expert backpacking, map reading, and cross-country route finding skills. The Tahoe to Yosemite Trail route between the Summit City Creek and Camp Irene is difficult expert terrain.

Once you find the trail leading out of the Southwest side of the bowl, you will be relieved to see there is a well-trod trail bed, if not a fully ducked trail, the rest of the way to Camp Irene. Even when there are no ducks the trail bed should suffice to lead you to Camp Irene. The trail is actually burnished into sections of bare granite it crosses. A hundred and fifty years of even sparse traffic has left its mark on the rock.

From Camp Irene a faint maintained trail will bring you up to the crest of Mount Reba, which is the last obstacle that sits between Camp Irene and fresh food and a resupply package at Lake Alpine, the end of this trail section. We will pick up the resupply package we sent to our self at the Lake Alpine Lodge.

Once you have reached Camp Irene from the Summit City Creek, you have finished passing through the toughest part of the Tahoe to Yosemite Trail. Congratulations!

You have also passed through the end of the granite section of this part of the trail. After you cross the North Mokelumne River and begin to climb up the Northeast flanks of the Mount Reba massif, the granitic terrain that you have crossed since Summit City Creek is gradually submerged by volcanic terrain as you climb higher on Mount Reba.

OK, now go check out the TYT on the trail guide!

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Below: Me, still looking for the trail out of the forested bowl along the Mokelumne River towards Camp Irene.

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Resupply

Two days South out of the Carson Gap on the Tahoe to Yosemite Trail will see us drop down the South side of Mount Reba to our first resupply point at the Lake Alpine lodge, located on Highway 104 on the West side of Lake Alpine.

Likewise, Pacific Crest Trail backpackers will generally hit Ebbetts Pass two days South out of the Carson Gap on the Pacific Crest Trail. Lake Alpine is a short 26 mile hitch hike to the West of Ebbetts Pass on Highway 4, where you can pick up your resupply package from Kim.

Bear Valley is three miles further West from the Lake Alpine Lodge on Highway 4.

Lake Alpine Lodge Resupply page,

(including Bear Valley and Arnold)

Read more about your route options on the Pacific Crest Trail or the Tahoe to Yosemite Trail between the Carson Gap and Highway 4 on the Trail Guide Index, on the Carson Gap Trail Guide page, in the maps section, and on the miles and elevations pages.

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More Information

Check the maps, mileages and elevations, and the trail guide pages for information on each route's specifics.

The route options through the Northern Sierras are approached from the perspective of resupply on the Echo Lake Chalet Resupply page. Check this page out for resupply information and options as they pertain to both the Tahoe to Yosemite and Pacific Crest Trail routes between Meeks Bay and Sonora Pass.

Also Check out the route discussion comparing the Tahoe to Yosemite and Pacific Crest Trail routes on The Backpacker's Forum

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Maps

North of the Carson Gap

7.5 minute Topo hiking Map: Echo Summit and South Upper Truckee to Carson Pass

30 min Topo hiking Map: Echo Summit and South Upper Truckee to Carson Gap

Miles and Elevations

South of the Carson Gap

The Carson Pass Region Map

SOUTH PCT miles: Carson Pass to Ebbetts Pass

SOUTH TY miles: Carson Gap to Lake Alpine

Trail Guide Pages

North: Carson Gap             South on TY: Trail to Woods Lake.       South on the PCT: Carson Pass.

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